Friday, October 31, 2008
George Saudners' Jon
I kept reading though, and I was happy to see that Saunders' story, despite its awkward, albeit occasionally charming style choice, his characters were interesting, the narrative extremely original, and his off-the-cuff sense of humor was absolutely marvelous.
What really struck me in this story were the details. The trademark after Aurabon, little phrases like "baby belly," the stores and modern references, or even just the repetition of Baby Amber, made this piece seem more real, almost like I could imagine myself in the facilities and doing the assessments on Ginger-Diet Coke.
I will say, since there wasn't a whole lot of exposition, I was a little confused on what exactly was taking place, or rather where everything was taking place, but I also think that added to the story. The point of the piece, I'm still trying to figure out. I get the brainwashing and the idea of utopian society through marketing and conformity, but, well, that's all I get.
The part about a man being called a rabbit when he was once a lion, the use of dude throughout the piece, and just, the odd bits-- this story really baffled me, and I can't quite get my head around it, but I enjoyed it. I was really pulling for Jon and Carolyn too.
I'd like to write this in commercialized form...
This piece was an interesting mix of science fiction and social commentary, yes. In a nutshell, as I understood it, the characters live in a futuristic America composed of the Haves, those totally owned and subservient to the consumer culture, and the Have Nots, the average Joes that aren't brainwashed by the commercialization of society and don't enjoy the same comforts as their counterparts.
Saunders' choice of voice for the narrator grew on me. Initially, I had no idea whether the narrator was a child, teen, or adult, whether he was fully competent or somewhat retarded, and why he kept referring to LI's. I still don't know how old he is suppose to be, and I don't know what would constitute "mental retardation" in this society, as everyone seems to be, in their own way, mentally deficient. But after awhile it didn't bother me; I just took Jon/Randy for the entity that he is, a confused man in a transitional period in his life.
I thought this society was an interesting setting for a coming-of-age tale. And while I certainly think that Saunders was condemning how commercialized our own society is (children sold into luxurious slavery by incapable parents and raised on consumer comforts, I agree, that's fucked), I feel like the crux of his story was Jon's choice. We recognize and empathize with his feelings of fear and anxiety, happiness and comfort, and we pull for him to do the "right" thing, make the scary choice, and get the fuck out of there.
If nothing else, this was unique. I like that Saunders took such a random-yet-well-planned course to write about simple (but obviously complex) human emotion and feeling. It's something I think I'll try soon in my own work.
Like looking inti the future...
Now, I would not dare compare Goerge Saunders to the likes of Ray Bradbury or Ayn Rand, but this story felt very much like the two mentione author's biggest novels. For instance, in Farenheit 451 we see this surreal world where the media controls all, big brother is ever so present, and books are hardly conceivable. That was a world Bradbury saw coming in his wildest imagination. Looking at it today it's obvious this degree of oppression and manipulation hasn't occured, but a lot of other similar concepts and aspects have. For instance, it's a known fact kids don't read, at all. It's an extremely small percent that actually read on a regular basis. And we can easily say the media controls almost everything about our lives. I think this presidential election is a great example. Look how all the major media outlets play with the public by sensationalizing stories concerning both major candidates. We associate ourselves and identity more with products or fictional characters that we see on the television than real life role models.
I really enjoy this topic, and definitely have played with stories concerning futuristic commercialism and media control. I often wonder if a world even remotely similar to this one could develope in my lifetime.
I love minimalism, but I also like being oriented
I love the idea of a futuristic plutocracy where commercialism is so pervasive that kids can only express their feelings in terms of the advertisements they’ve seen. I also love the idea that crass cross-promotion and corporate celebrity-breeding have become so bad that corporations have started raising kids from birth and insulating them completely to make them perfect celebrities and to test their products in-depth. I loved it so much that I required more.
Just how disparate is this world from our own? The author gives clues that these focus-group homes exist all over the country (the kids win in the “
In an effort to be coy and perhaps move the story along quickly, Saunders leaves me disoriented and confused. Why were they blindfolded “for their own protection” on the way to the
Also, if this is a highly advanced market research and pretty-boy farming corporation who micromanages the lives of their case studies, how did they manage to overlook a dying infant?
Telling me important details, such as why these kids are there, and what those “holes” in their neck are for, would have helped a lot had they come near the beginning. Obviously, not telling me why the narrator has two given names was smart, and paid off at the end when you find out why, but there is no reason why I shouldn’t know what the holes were for up front. There’s no pay-off for that.
It seems like Saunders felt the need to limit this story to a certain number of words to assure readability, and instead of taking out unneeded expository dialogue such as Dove telling the narrator “That’s your mom,” (which we deduced any), he took out entire ideas that would have helped me understand his surreal world better.
These details are relevant to the plot and to the story’s implications, because this story is an indictment of culture. It is suggesting that our world is similar to, and might eventually become like the one in the story. It would help me to know more about the process. In a story about kids who are tragically products of their environment, I would have liked to know more about the environment.
Thursday, October 30, 2008
George Saunders
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
In response to George Saunders
For the most part, I did think the plot as well developed and I feel the best part of the entire story is at the beginning when Baby Amber dies. Yet the story still continued to read like a reflection conversation – imagine me retelling you a story and having to hear me constantly say, “And then she said…. And then he said…” and so forth. That was the most distracting part of the story. I wanted to give the story a chance and kept telling myself that this form of writing only happened at the beginning of the story. Yet I still kept finding it in the middle and toward the end of the story.
Another thing that drove me CRAZY in the story were the random sequences of numbers like LI 11121 inserted in the story. What the hell what that about? I kept trying to connect it to something, anything, but I’m not sure what to connect it to.
I think the story would have left a greater impression on me had I not been weeding through all these little things.
(And yes, I still want an explanation to the sequences of numbers.)
Sunday, October 12, 2008
Carmer's Knights
Friday, October 10, 2008
Tuscaloosa Nights
I feel like the concept of Vice's piece being plagiarized is a contradiction to what I've been taught. All of my writing teachers have said, "If you like something, take it and run with it." I feel like that's exactly what Vice did. He found one small aspect of Carmer's book and said, "Hmm, what if I took this tiny instance and ran with it, really worked it out and turned it into something. What if it was a woman, and it was set now?" Granted, he should have been more up front in regards to Carmer's work as inspiration, but still, to refer to it as plagiarism feels like a stretch.
Focusing just on the Carmer excerpt, I enjoyed it. While it was set in Tuscaloosa, until the final chapter I felt, because of the difference in time periods, like I was a purerly fictitious "Anytown, USA" set in the early part of the century. I'm sure if I poured through the piece and picked out certain details I could more directly place certain events, but on first read it felt like it could have taken anywhere in the South or Midwest during that time period in America.
I enjoyed the blend of memoir and narrative. At times it felt more like I was reading the narrator's journal than "listening" to him tell a story. It broke the piece up very well and gave it an almost journalistic quality.
I enjoyed this piece more than Vice's. I think this is because it covers a greater subject matter of old-school Tuscaloosa, distancing me from it despite the fact that I'm a current resident and simultaneously not forcing me to associate myself with the vivid, borderline-despicable deeds of Vice's story.
"Tuscaloosa Nights" by Carl Carmer
After reading Carmer's story, my original impression of Brad Vice's story is significantly diminished - not because of the plagiarized section, but because Carmer's story is that much better. Vice's prose pales in comparison to Carmer's. And I don't think such comparisons are unfair, due to the similarity of the stories.
One thing that was really obvious, and goes back to my review of Vice's story, is the way in which Carmer handles references to Tuscaloosa. In his story, they are essential and never distracting, even to me, which was a problem in Brad Vice's story.
While I don't think Vice's plagiarism was committed maliciously, he still used extremely bad judgement. It is also of note that he didn't just plagiarize the whole section without altering it, but made several changes which, in my opinion, were to the worse and cheapened Vice's attempts significantly. As it looks to me, Vice was trying to imitate one of he writers he looked up to. Well, he failed. Carmer's story is infinitely more vivid and important. It's funny how reading it lowered my opinion of last week's story.
Tuscaloosa Nights
Take an event that seems catastrophic, such as the September 11th tragedies. The film Loose Changes tries to justify their argument of the twin towers being demolished by internal bombs, asking several New Yorkers what happened and their reply being something along the lines of "It was like someone was blowing up the building." Yeah, it's funny how psychology works. Just because word of mouth travels and people repeat what they heard doesn't make it true.
Two people watching the Klan do their thing by the river would probably describe the act in a similar way. Chances are, they might even use the same analogies. Hell, they might even be witnessing the event close to one another and would have the same perspective of the event. A flaming cross and men dressed in white sheets can only be seen so different from two people.
In Tuscaloosa Nights, we are given a much more in depth look at Southern culture than we are in Tuscaloosa Knights. We are told about what the Klan wants and doesn't want, and doesn't understand or acknowledge, giving them more of an immature and ignorant appeal than in Tuscaloosa Knights. That's not to say the Klan of Knights appear to be an intelligent group, but in Nights Howe proposes questions that elude to a better background for the piece.
I can't say that Knights is plagiarized, considering the perspectives we are given from the speaker. There is less of a focus on the Klan and southern culture than there is on the affair depicted within. Nights focuses on the South and the Klan in a college town, less internal dynamics and more on the topic at hand.
Tuesday, October 7, 2008
Tuscaloosa Nights... the real version... still not great
I did like how the real one added more characters and gave those characters depth, unlike the last story we read. Yet I can’t help but want more descriptions of the University, since it is such a staple to the Tuscaloosa area. In comparison to the other story, I thought the plagiarism would occur ‘word for word’ like I have been taught it should. Instead, the plagiarism arrived as different ideas and scenes that each author made their own, for example the cross burning scene and the scene with Lula in the moonlight. I can see why the other story might be justified as plagiarism but I wouldn’t necessarily consider it plagiarism. Too me, both stories present similar ideas and scenes but in different contexts.
After reading this, I’m curious as to the rest of the novel. What other places in Alabama are feature in the book?
Sunday, October 5, 2008
Tuscaloosa Knights
Friday, October 3, 2008
Tuscaloosa Knights Review
The narrative itself is simple, but by adding the twist of the Klan and the South, the tale of a mildly unhappy woman keeping company with her husband’s best friend doubles in intrigue tenfold. The readers know an affair is inevitable, but it is presented so timidly and unfolds so naturally—it was lovely.
There were two problems with “Tuscaloosa Knights,” however, that were hard to overlook, even with its abundance of well-rounded characters and occasional beautiful description. Marla’s voice, at times, would change too harshly, jarring me out of the story. An example of this is on the top of page two, “I was pretty upset that my husband planned to abandon me here in this dinky town with nothing to do while he pranced across Europe.” The seemingly educated and well-spoken Marla turned into a fourteen-year-old school girl in one sentence. Also, the ending was too unsatisfying. The build up to the affair, which was mesmerizing and engaged the reader on so many levels, blossoms and subsequently burns out, but not because of the two’s conscience, but rather a group of crazy people from Bryce that come out of nowhere. If there was a message in it, I missed it. I certainly hope the overlying suggestion was NOT as simple as extramarital affairs are crazy, i.e. the parade of insane.
I liked this story, but I wish it could have been more.
Tuscaloosa Knights
I thought it was well-written; the prose felt fluid enough to me, detailed, and with a good rhythm and progression of story. He had some excellent images, from But the story never felt like more than the sum of its parts: disjointed in some ways, like it never quite coalesced into a single story. We had bits on Pinion, the husband in Switzerland (Switzerland? Really?), on Bear Bryant, Bryce, the Klan, even on how backwards Tuscaloosa was compared to Poughkeepsie. I get it, I know this stuff already.
Maybe I would have been more interested in the story itself if I weren't from the South. Maybe someone from Poughkeepsie would be interested in seeing the atmosphere of culture that Vice creates--but would they really need to read it, either? I imagine they know as well as we Southerners know, about shooting the breeze on a front porch with bourbon and mint. about the KKK's activities, about the casual indifference of even otherwise 'respectable' people like Pinion toward his black servants. Pinion, incidentally, seemed less to disagree with the Klan than to think they were some watered-down version of the real thing--I suspected he still harkened back to the glory days of the Klan "when there was a reason for it" like when his grandfather was the boss.
When it really gets down to it, it's just an amalgation of all the stereotypical images associated with Alabama--even if those images were well-written.
Ouch
It's always interesting to read and write about a place, and the culture accompanying that place. You realize that some stereotypes are abhorrent, malicious bastardizations of these, yet most exist for a very real reason.
Having been born and raised in Alabama, I've experienced countless secondhand instances of culture shock from peers and visitors from other parts of the country and the world that are shocked both by how stereotypical the South is and by how different it is from their preconceived notions.
This story was, for me, a sickening look at why so many of these stereotypes do exist.
We have the burning, which in many ways was like a county fair, with children, and frat boys bring dates, and the main attraction--a bigot attacking things for biased reasons. We have the hate-language, the terrified black driver, the black maid. And all of this made me sad--I could identify everything physical about this story, and as such was forced to accept, once again, that I am a part of a culture with a background that is, in certain aspects, despicable.
Yet amidst this stereotypical backdrop, we have a story about curiosity, change, and infidelity. I didn't find Marla's desire to attend the rally strange. I've met many non-natives that have wanted to partake in all things southern, for better and for worse. I was much more intrigued by the relationship between her and Pinion.
Vice makes a phenomenal move with the final scene, which I found to be the most compelling of the story. Marla finally submits to the adultery that she had planned, with increasing conviction, to commit. The act is set against the backdrop of the "running of the loons." There is a certain shock and pity associated both with the initial and then the mass of Bryce patients that sets them apart. Yet what is insanity, if not plotting and knowing all of the downfalls and the lack of upside and doing it anything, the world be damned? Marla is the same as these people whether she knows it or not.
Though the topic of religion is never broached directly, the patients serve as a reverse baptism. The elements are there--a river, a cross, a change. When the car is stopped and then washed over by this group of mental patients, she finally connects the last dot, not only knowing what she is doing, but finally feeling it for the terrible action it was.
In sum, I feel like Vice combined a number of intricate elements, set it against a backdrop that is familiar, at least to me, and combined the two to make a phenomenal story that was both a stereotype and the exact opposite.
"Tuscaloosa Knights" by Brad Vice
It was very interesting to read a story that takes place here in Tuscaloosa. I recognized all of the geographical landmarks and streets. This automatically let me connect to the piece in that way. But I can't help but wonder how differently the story reads to someone not living in Tuscaloosa. To be honest, I felt like Vice used a few too many references to the town. I'm sure someone not from here probably wouldn't feel the same way. But sometimes, I got the feeling as if Vice wanted to pack as many references into the story as he could. To me, this cheapened the story, but only marginally.
Because, in all, this is a very good story with interesting characters, and a fascinating backdrop. Vice creates an array of great images. Picturing the Klan rally going down Queen City was pretty crazy, and the mystery of Bear Bryant's participation was really intriguing. And then, there's the final escalation at the end, when escaped Bryce inmates pass the car in which Marla and Pinion are having sex, and run toward the burning cross illuminated the night sky. Crazy.
A Touch of Home
Obviously, the thing that really stood out to me was the reason I believe this story was selected for us, which was how it is a retelling of another story by making it closer to our own homes and giving it a sense of reality for us living in Tuscaloosa. I personally found it much easier to picture everything happening and where it was happening with the details of the town and the locations of the events that were happening in. To be honest, I actually really liked this aspect of the
story. I think it made the story come more alive to me, and it gave it a greater sense of interest because it was taking place in “my town.”
One thing I didn’t like was the use of Bear Bryant and how he was a football player and not a coach. I’m not going to be all crazy and say that it was “disrespectful” to Coach Bryant (which I’m not), but I really just found the usage of his name with that specific character to be silly. It really was the only thing that I felt hindered the drama of the story. Everything else, as far as Tuscaloosa goes, was used properly and appropriately.
As far as the plot goes, I thought it was solid. I kept wondering if Marla was going to get with Pinion, and I kept wondering what kind of man he really was. I thought the subtle hints dropped throughout the story of how Pinion treated certain people really helped build up his near rape at the end.
Which, speaking of the weird sex thing at the end of the story – that was really weird. It was out of nowhere, and just seemed to completely change what happened in the story. I felt like I went from John Grisham to Danielle Steele.
Knight Moves
Brad Vice's Tuscaloosa Knights is a startling tale of how two apparently smart people end up going to a Klan rally. It's very disturbing to see how something so terrible as a racist rally with the potential for murder can evoke curiosity, even with those who stand against the ideals.
Pinion is a fine southern man who spends many a day with Marla, his friend's wife. They flirt, drink and smoke on the porch on Queen City. Marla is bored because her husband John is working all the time and has left her to drown in the Druid City. Fortunately, she has some company who could also provide for some sweet adultery action.
The images given in this piece are amazing, depicting sounds of horses with great imagery and language. The way Vice describes the rally makes it as though you are actually there. You can almost smell the incest and degeneration.
What I found most disturbing about this piece is how nonchalant Pinion is towards Puddin, his driver, when Puddin comes back home with some groceries. "I'm too old for this aggravation," he says. Pinion tells him to go inside and get some coffee.
The end of the piece is especially bizarre, seeing as how the horny couple ends up almost doing the nasty in a broken down car while a bunch of Bryce escapees run towards a flaming cross. Christ.
Cultural and Genetic Baggage in "Tuscaloosa Knights"
Pinion is very quick to distance himself from his alleged cousin, who must be at least his half cousin, unless the despicable uncle is his aunt's husband. But Pinion is a case study in the unreformed southerner, most overtly through his violent temperament. If you recall, the author implicitly mentions that his servant is black. While Pinion is in no capacity a slave-owner, or someone who acts like it, it is a curious thing that someone so consciously against that old Dixie mentality would employ a reminder of it. It is both symbolic and diegesisical evidence that Pinion hasn't completely shaken off the world of his grandfathers. Also, while drunk driving is not exclusively a southern vice, it stands out as unrefined behavior, especially for a congressman.
The theme of genetic determinism comes in when the narrator brings up Pinion's shooting of his cousin. His Klansmen kin, he is quick to point out (albeit with a flimsy denial) that this guy is very different from him, and they could not be from the same "family." But Pinion is very much like him - after all, he shot him! This is something given to him by genetics, and Pinion must be conscious of this, because he is extremely upset when the narrator vocally starts to piece together his past.
The narrator shows her primitive side in the sex scene. This woman is a feminist. You can tell in both her despising of the town she is forced to live in, and in the way she interacts with Pinion. Yet, notice the language she uses to describe the sex - "what he was about to do to me," "what could I do - go limp, fight, scream?" Sex is now a receptive act for her, the female, the opposite of who she wants to be, and just what this culture she hates would want from her.
But why consciously be the primitivism we hate so much? The answer, I think, is in the metaphor of Bryce patients running lost through the woods and toward the burning cross. The running, confused patients represent humans in their existential state, especially for our two characters who find themselves living in a culture they sharply disagree with. Lost, and seemingly directionless, they run toward the familiar, easily achieved primitivism of things drinking too much, sex in a car, and violence. In times of confusion, primitivism is a bright, burning oasis, both because it is the social norm and because it was innate in them all along.
Thursday, October 2, 2008
Tuscaloosa Knights - not what I expected
Again, I am having mixed feelings as to whether or not I liked this particular story. Upon learning that this story was set in the
I liked the part about Coach Bryant not being able to play football because of a broken leg. However, because I’m from
The story brings out some interesting points regarding race and racial inequality. I think the plot of the story is very well written but the pinpoints about
Wednesday, October 1, 2008
Tuscaloosa Knights
The plot of the story was and interesting one to read. I like how the true story of Paul "Bear" Bryant playing with a broken leg was built into the story. I was happy when it wasn't Bryant that was the speaker at the KKK rally. If it would have been him I don't think I would have finished the story because that would have been so far from the truth that the story would not have been worth reading.
Another thing about the story that was good was how it took place in present tense. I like reading stories that put the reader into the action. I never knew exactly where this story was headed. Every time I thought I knew what was going it went in a different direction.